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		<title>By: Small Business Blog &#187; The Thing About Free</title>
		<link>http://delegatenowblog.com/2008/02/19/avoiding-the-free-advice-coffee-date/#comment-444</link>
		<author>Small Business Blog &#187; The Thing About Free</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 17:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] more productive on both sides and inspired a change in the way I do business. When I stopped having all those free coffee dates my income went up and my interactions were more [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] more productive on both sides and inspired a change in the way I do business. When I stopped having all those free coffee dates my income went up and my interactions were more [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Amber Riviere</title>
		<link>http://delegatenowblog.com/2008/02/19/avoiding-the-free-advice-coffee-date/#comment-415</link>
		<author>Amber Riviere</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Feb 2008 22:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"There is a reason the flight attendants tell you to put your air mask on before helping the person in the seat next to you. You have to help yourself first if you want to survive in business."

How funny!  My sister and I were just talking about this.  As a flight attendant in a former life, she asked me why I had to tell my passengers this.  She lightheartedly mocked the advice and said, "Yeah, right.  Like a parent is not going to put the mask on his/her child first."  As I told my sister, you'd better put the mask on yourself first.  You're going to be no good to your child when you're passed out from lack of oxygen!  Service professionals, listen to your flight attendant (I mean, Betsy)! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;There is a reason the flight attendants tell you to put your air mask on before helping the person in the seat next to you. You have to help yourself first if you want to survive in business.&#8221;</p>
<p>How funny!  My sister and I were just talking about this.  As a flight attendant in a former life, she asked me why I had to tell my passengers this.  She lightheartedly mocked the advice and said, &#8220;Yeah, right.  Like a parent is not going to put the mask on his/her child first.&#8221;  As I told my sister, you&#8217;d better put the mask on yourself first.  You&#8217;re going to be no good to your child when you&#8217;re passed out from lack of oxygen!  Service professionals, listen to your flight attendant (I mean, Betsy)! <img src='http://delegatenowblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Dani McDonough</title>
		<link>http://delegatenowblog.com/2008/02/19/avoiding-the-free-advice-coffee-date/#comment-410</link>
		<author>Dani McDonough</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:53:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very good food for thought.  I have struggled with my goal of wanting to connect with other members...and realizing the time it really does take for the coffee dates -1 on 1.  Very good info Betsy, thank you SO much for sharing it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very good food for thought.  I have struggled with my goal of wanting to connect with other members&#8230;and realizing the time it really does take for the coffee dates -1 on 1.  Very good info Betsy, thank you SO much for sharing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Juetten</title>
		<link>http://delegatenowblog.com/2008/02/19/avoiding-the-free-advice-coffee-date/#comment-408</link>
		<author>Nancy Juetten</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 17:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I struggled mightily about how to handle requests for coffee or tea.  As a solopreneur, every minute counts.   And, when you take into account the drive time, the time to connect, and the fact that most coffee dates initially set for 30 minutes invariably go much longer, how can a busy business owner justify it?

Kristen Schuerlein of Affirmagy once advised me to "Be a bulldog for your time and protect it as if your life depends on it ... because it does."  What else do we have, if not our time and our lives, especially if we are professional service providers?

I have learned to offer "virtual coffee or tea"  That saves the commute time and also keeps me close to the clock to make sure that 15 minute chats stay true to that timeframe.   And, of course, I do offer the Publici-Tea events that give others access to my consulting in a warm and cozy group setting.  That seems to have really struck a nerve and met a need in the marketplace.   Hurray for that for all!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I struggled mightily about how to handle requests for coffee or tea.  As a solopreneur, every minute counts.   And, when you take into account the drive time, the time to connect, and the fact that most coffee dates initially set for 30 minutes invariably go much longer, how can a busy business owner justify it?</p>
<p>Kristen Schuerlein of Affirmagy once advised me to &#8220;Be a bulldog for your time and protect it as if your life depends on it &#8230; because it does.&#8221;  What else do we have, if not our time and our lives, especially if we are professional service providers?</p>
<p>I have learned to offer &#8220;virtual coffee or tea&#8221;  That saves the commute time and also keeps me close to the clock to make sure that 15 minute chats stay true to that timeframe.   And, of course, I do offer the Publici-Tea events that give others access to my consulting in a warm and cozy group setting.  That seems to have really struck a nerve and met a need in the marketplace.   Hurray for that for all!</p>
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		<title>By: Lori Richardson</title>
		<link>http://delegatenowblog.com/2008/02/19/avoiding-the-free-advice-coffee-date/#comment-405</link>
		<author>Lori Richardson</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:12:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, a very good topic and great comments to the post. I agree with Zita - the term, "picking your brain" just leaves a bit to be desired. 

I have taken a lesson from Nancy Juetten which has really helped me interract with the great women of eWomen (some of who are very new in business, or have not created enough revenues to invest in my services. 

Nancy has a fantastic packet of information for anyone who does not want to pay $200 per hour to meet with her. She has tips booklets, and also a fantastic group "tea" where one could really leverage their investment for many new ideas. This way she can still be of help and service to others at any point. 

Due to my schedule I don't have much time for coffee or tea as it is, and I love the idea of a phone conversation. This can really maximize time and sort out what it is that the other person is most interested in. 

As for giving away knowledge - I do it in these ways - being a speaker, choosing organizations I can be of service for, and occasionally leading workshops that have a low dollar investment. It makes me feel good, and I never get pushed into it - only do it as it fits into my goals and schedule. 

Eventually new business owners learn that it takes an investment to get good advice and ideas. Sometimes it is a money investment, other times a time investment - or both. 

Great topic!

Lori Richardson
Score More Sales - Sales Effectiveness Organization</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, a very good topic and great comments to the post. I agree with Zita - the term, &#8220;picking your brain&#8221; just leaves a bit to be desired. </p>
<p>I have taken a lesson from Nancy Juetten which has really helped me interract with the great women of eWomen (some of who are very new in business, or have not created enough revenues to invest in my services. </p>
<p>Nancy has a fantastic packet of information for anyone who does not want to pay $200 per hour to meet with her. She has tips booklets, and also a fantastic group &#8220;tea&#8221; where one could really leverage their investment for many new ideas. This way she can still be of help and service to others at any point. </p>
<p>Due to my schedule I don&#8217;t have much time for coffee or tea as it is, and I love the idea of a phone conversation. This can really maximize time and sort out what it is that the other person is most interested in. </p>
<p>As for giving away knowledge - I do it in these ways - being a speaker, choosing organizations I can be of service for, and occasionally leading workshops that have a low dollar investment. It makes me feel good, and I never get pushed into it - only do it as it fits into my goals and schedule. </p>
<p>Eventually new business owners learn that it takes an investment to get good advice and ideas. Sometimes it is a money investment, other times a time investment - or both. </p>
<p>Great topic!</p>
<p>Lori Richardson<br />
Score More Sales - Sales Effectiveness Organization</p>
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		<title>By: Sylvia Taylor</title>
		<link>http://delegatenowblog.com/2008/02/19/avoiding-the-free-advice-coffee-date/#comment-403</link>
		<author>Sylvia Taylor</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2008 16:55:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Betsy,
I'm really glad you posted this. I knew this was a common experience, just didn't know how common! I wonder also how many people truly do this practice out of ignorance. I know when it happened to me it was really from a place of wanting to get to know me, but also to get help.

I believe the intentional way to go about asking for help is to just ask for it. Once you put it on the table, what you need help with, the response you get can come in the form that is a win/win. The person being asked for help can give a rate, or a referral, but can give from the place that feels like they are helping, but not giving away their services for free. The person asking for the help can do it from a place of integrity and clarity and really might get better help than they expected. That way you have the opportunity to continue building a good relationship instead of one laced with bad feelings or being taken advantage of.

Thanks again for posting this! Always good to have a reminder of how to communicate better (for ourselves, our businesses and for our customers!).
-Sylvia</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Betsy,<br />
I&#8217;m really glad you posted this. I knew this was a common experience, just didn&#8217;t know how common! I wonder also how many people truly do this practice out of ignorance. I know when it happened to me it was really from a place of wanting to get to know me, but also to get help.</p>
<p>I believe the intentional way to go about asking for help is to just ask for it. Once you put it on the table, what you need help with, the response you get can come in the form that is a win/win. The person being asked for help can give a rate, or a referral, but can give from the place that feels like they are helping, but not giving away their services for free. The person asking for the help can do it from a place of integrity and clarity and really might get better help than they expected. That way you have the opportunity to continue building a good relationship instead of one laced with bad feelings or being taken advantage of.</p>
<p>Thanks again for posting this! Always good to have a reminder of how to communicate better (for ourselves, our businesses and for our customers!).<br />
-Sylvia</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy Talbot</title>
		<link>http://delegatenowblog.com/2008/02/19/avoiding-the-free-advice-coffee-date/#comment-401</link>
		<author>Betsy Talbot</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:13:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>"Let me pick your brain" - we've all heard that before!  I've never thought of it like picking my pocket but you are absolutely correct.  And I'm sure most of us have an hourly rate that is higher than the price of a standard coffee or lunch.  One alternative would be to suggest they buy lunch at Morton's, I guess!  :) Thanks for stopping by and sharing your wisdom, Zita.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Let me pick your brain&#8221; - we&#8217;ve all heard that before!  I&#8217;ve never thought of it like picking my pocket but you are absolutely correct.  And I&#8217;m sure most of us have an hourly rate that is higher than the price of a standard coffee or lunch.  One alternative would be to suggest they buy lunch at Morton&#8217;s, I guess!  <img src='http://delegatenowblog.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> Thanks for stopping by and sharing your wisdom, Zita.</p>
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		<title>By: Zita Gustin</title>
		<link>http://delegatenowblog.com/2008/02/19/avoiding-the-free-advice-coffee-date/#comment-400</link>
		<author>Zita Gustin</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2008 20:05:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://delegatenowblog.com/2008/02/19/avoiding-the-free-advice-coffee-date/#comment-400</guid>
		<description>Hi Betsy,

Great advice!  This is something that I get asked about a lot.  It seems that some people so often have ulterior motives when a coffee date is requested that a lot of people are now wary of participating in coffee dates.

There truly is safety in numbers for most people will not behave badly in front of others and it is easier to set the tone and expectations for everyone when there are more than 2 people involved.  That's a great suggestion and I wish more people would consider doing that for you actually get and give more information (for the time you allot to the activity) when there are more people present ... and 4 is a great number to strive for.  When you have more than 4, you'll find the conversation is difficult to follow because people break into side bar conversations.

I love that you give permission to service people to "own" the knowledge that they have accrued and charge for it appropriately.  My favorite pet peave are the folks who say something like, "I'd like to pick your brain, how about I buy you a cup or coffee or take you to lunch...."  As if that is the correct way to get the information that they are looking for.  Picking my brain is not an activity that I readily allow other folks to do.  That's the same as Picking my Pocket ... and we all know what that means ... it means taking something that is not yours.  Cold hard fact is that it is stealing and the takers try to dress it up by calling it picking your brain.

Anyway, great post and thank you for shining a light on how to handle the situation!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Betsy,</p>
<p>Great advice!  This is something that I get asked about a lot.  It seems that some people so often have ulterior motives when a coffee date is requested that a lot of people are now wary of participating in coffee dates.</p>
<p>There truly is safety in numbers for most people will not behave badly in front of others and it is easier to set the tone and expectations for everyone when there are more than 2 people involved.  That&#8217;s a great suggestion and I wish more people would consider doing that for you actually get and give more information (for the time you allot to the activity) when there are more people present &#8230; and 4 is a great number to strive for.  When you have more than 4, you&#8217;ll find the conversation is difficult to follow because people break into side bar conversations.</p>
<p>I love that you give permission to service people to &#8220;own&#8221; the knowledge that they have accrued and charge for it appropriately.  My favorite pet peave are the folks who say something like, &#8220;I&#8217;d like to pick your brain, how about I buy you a cup or coffee or take you to lunch&#8230;.&#8221;  As if that is the correct way to get the information that they are looking for.  Picking my brain is not an activity that I readily allow other folks to do.  That&#8217;s the same as Picking my Pocket &#8230; and we all know what that means &#8230; it means taking something that is not yours.  Cold hard fact is that it is stealing and the takers try to dress it up by calling it picking your brain.</p>
<p>Anyway, great post and thank you for shining a light on how to handle the situation!</p>
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		<title>By: Betsy Talbot</title>
		<link>http://delegatenowblog.com/2008/02/19/avoiding-the-free-advice-coffee-date/#comment-396</link>
		<author>Betsy Talbot</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 23:45:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks, Working Girl!  Yes, coffee yesterday was great - a nice give and take to help each other with business.  I wish they were all so good.  Can't wait for your book to be on the shelves!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Working Girl!  Yes, coffee yesterday was great - a nice give and take to help each other with business.  I wish they were all so good.  Can&#8217;t wait for your book to be on the shelves!</p>
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		<title>By: Working Girl</title>
		<link>http://delegatenowblog.com/2008/02/19/avoiding-the-free-advice-coffee-date/#comment-393</link>
		<author>Working Girl</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Feb 2008 19:11:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm, we just had coffee date yesterday, Betsy!!!  Nicest mindsuck I've had in a long time. . . . .

Seriously, I think we were a model for what a coffee date should be &#38; hope you think so, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm, we just had coffee date yesterday, Betsy!!!  Nicest mindsuck I&#8217;ve had in a long time. . . . .</p>
<p>Seriously, I think we were a model for what a coffee date should be &amp; hope you think so, too.</p>
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